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Re: OT - Survivalism Retail Style

eskwi...@spamblock.panix.com — Sat, 10 Jan 2009 00:32:52 UT

All of those items are factored in. They are all a part of "real costs".

Re: Electric tea kettle

haran...@lycos.com — Sat, 10 Jan 2009 00:26:49 UT

I have one and LOVE it for making tea - gets the water boiling FAST -
need to have at least 2 cups in it though. It is more efficient
electrically than a microwave. i believe the brand is Betty Crocker.

Re: OT - Survivalism Retail Style

huntre...@optonline.net (Ed Huntress) — Fri, 09 Jan 2009 23:30:17 UT

<snip>
To answer the question you're really asking, no, it's not a good thing. With
no credit, there's little consumption; with little consumption, there's
declining or flat production; with declining or flat production, there's no
increase in employment; and so on, around the circle. No credit, no economy.

Electric tea kettle

art...@gmail.com — Fri, 09 Jan 2009 23:23:27 UT

A recent Consumers Reports article on coffee makers seemed to be
saying that a good cup of coffee depends upon reaching high water
temperature.
I have been thinking of getting an electric tea kettle and would
appreciate any recommendations.
Thank you.

Re: OT - Survivalism Retail Style

too_many_to...@yahoo.com (Too_Many_Tools) — Fri, 09 Jan 2009 22:36:29 UT

Could it be that the banks holding on to their 350 billion bailout
(except for bonuses of course) be a good thing? If the masses can't
access credit, they can't spend and without money in the system there
is no inflation.
TMT

Re: If you want to try Linux.....

sdog2...@sdf.lonestar.org (Stray Dog) — Fri, 09 Jan 2009 21:58:48 UT

It is good of you to share your experiences with everyone else.
Thank you.
As for myself, the "best" Linux out of all I tried was Red Hat 6.2. Of
course, I think a lot of the later versions might have been "tweaked" up
more specifically for the latest hardwares but I've still got a lot of old
hardware here (some 10 years old), and the hardware incompatibilities

Re: OT - Survivalism Retail Style

curlysurmudg...@live.com (Curly Surmudgeon) — Fri, 09 Jan 2009 21:55:18 UT

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There is no direct relationship between exchange rates and inflation,
only a slight correlation.
Again, this is due more to the disintegrating home and declining vehicle
costs than to real deflation. Major ticket items are always the first
casualty, even while cost of living is climbing.

Re: OT - Survivalism Retail Style

huntre...@optonline.net (Ed Huntress) — Fri, 09 Jan 2009 21:32:28 UT

We'll see. The dollar has been flat or rising against most other currencies,
so it's unlikely that inflation would take right off with even a large
increase in money supply. At some point, yes, it will cause inflation -- but
not before velocity increases (in other words, before people start buying

Re: OT - Survivalism Retail Style

too_many_to...@yahoo.com (Too_Many_Tools) — Fri, 09 Jan 2009 21:04:32 UT

How about once those hundreds of billions of dollars that are being
printed enter the economy?
TMT

Re: OT - Survivalism Retail Style

huntre...@optonline.net (Ed Huntress) — Fri, 09 Jan 2009 20:54:25 UT

Sorry, Curly, but I have you blocked and only saw this on the quote. d8-)
No, this is not stagflation. The economy is winding down and unemployment is
rising, but the trend in general price levels has turned down and the fear
now is deflation. When those three things go together, you have recession,

Re: OT - Survivalism Retail Style

too_many_to...@yahoo.com (Too_Many_Tools) — Fri, 09 Jan 2009 20:29:00 UT

I agree with Curly on this one.
And yes...those presses are smoking.
It will be the cause for the cancer that will afflict the next
generations who will need to pay for the paper being printed.
TMT

Re: OT - Survivalism Retail Style

huntre...@optonline.net (Ed Huntress) — Fri, 09 Jan 2009 20:26:23 UT

I think there's a real danger here of confusing and making a mess of
understanding.
Those CDOs are denominated in *dollars*. Their value, whether in terms of
purchase price, market price, or pie-in-the-sky, are written in those books
as *dollars* of value (or non-value or phony value; that's not the point).

Re: OT - Survivalism Retail Style

too_many_to...@yahoo.com (Too_Many_Tools) — Fri, 09 Jan 2009 20:25:20 UT

I think we are already there.
Perhaps someone would care to tell us what is difference between now
and the fiscal events that led to stagflation?
TMT

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Re: OT - Survivalism Retail Style

huntre...@optonline.net (Ed Huntress) — Fri, 09 Jan 2009 19:18:36 UT

The way the terms are used when talking about economics effects, they're
generally used to refer to general, or aggregate increases or decreases in
price levels. For example, from _The Economist's_ "Economics A-Z":
"DEFLATION: Deflation is a persistent fall in the general price level of
goods and SERVICES. It is not to be confused with a decline in prices in one